How Good Is Anime Compared To Western Media

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• #351

Why are we comparing a singular medium (anime) from a unmarried country, to all of Western media? What a pants on head stupid premise for a topic.

• #352

This is a bad faith argument. You framed it as if Sesshomaru marries Rin and she gave nativity every bit an 8 yr old. Yashahime is a sequal that takes place years afterward the original series. And so Rin is non 8 years erstwhile in the squeal. I am not actually a fan of the series, I prefer Super Robot anime, or difficult scifi so stuff like Gaogaigar, Getter Robot, or Legend of Galactic Heros and even in series like Legend of Galactic Hero which is a difficult scifi state of war series, it doesn't try to glorify state of war, instead showing the horror, and how it makes things worse unlike alot of western movies and shows that glorify information technology.

This is what Seshsomaru and RIn are like in Inuyasha, the original series.

The one your talking about is the Sequal, Yashahime that takes identify years after. and this is what Rin looks similar.

If yous don't think adopting a immature child, raising her from early on age only to brand her pregnant when having reached machismo is horrifying I don't know what to tell you.

• #353

See this is the bespeak hither! People run across a show with an all-woman bandage and they're similar "oh just cute girls doing cute things." Practise you lot realize how incredibly sexist that is to say about things you oasis't even seen? All of those shows I mentioned are vastly dissimilar from each other and unique, simply the concept of series like these virtually women is so foreign here that people don't fifty-fifty accept a fashion to talk about them. Your suggestion is ridiculous too. A young girl can't watch a evidence that doesn't come across your weird purity standards? Come on.

I mean, y'all're telling me that Bofuri and Lapis Nights are fine wholesome entertainment and I'm sitting here like:

I'grand not gonna sit down here and say that I've seen all of those, but I have seen a lot of them, and I bounced off of a few of them considering they are doing their cast no favors in how they are portrayed. A lot of your list I agree with, in that location are some practiced shows in there just...

Similar, I like Macross a lot, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Macross Delta is some example of female empowerment because information technology has a mostly female person cast of women in wartime, when the role they've been given in the fight is, to back up the pilots through song and dance. The show WANTS you lot to get behind that thought, simply I'chiliad still making that Hemsworth squint while information technology asks that of me.

This is a bad faith argument. You framed information technology equally if Sesshomaru marries Rin and she gave birth every bit an 8 twelvemonth old. Yashahime is a sequal that takes place years later the original serial. So Rin is not viii years old in the squeal. I am not actually a fan of the series, I prefer Super Robot anime, or difficult scifi so stuff like Gaogaigar, Getter Robot, or Legend of Galactic Heros and fifty-fifty in series like Legend of Galactic Hero which is a hard scifi war series, it doesn't try to glorify war, instead showing the horror, and how it makes things worse dissimilar alot of western movies and shows that glorify it.

This is what Seshsomaru and RIn are like in Inuyasha, the original series.

The one your talking almost is the Sequal, Yashahime that takes place years later on. and this is what Rin looks like.

Naw dude.

That'southward training B.

Shit'south GROSS. Even setting aside the argument that Sesshomaru is like 3000 or something, if you take their causeless ages into account, he's similar 28, and she's 9.

NOT OKAY.

• #354

Certainly true, by hook or by crook. For example, depending on how Wonder Egg Priority does and depending on how a few other up and coming mangas end up doing, nosotros may be in for a common theme of suicide beingness laced into a lot of shows in the autumn 2021-winter 2022 season. I don't call back I've ever seen a western blithe show even endeavour to deal with that concept.

THAT BEING SAID, permit's not pretend like western animation doesn't endeavour to go heavy one time in a while. I'thou reminded of Hey Arnold, having i of the neighbor's be a Vietnam war Ex-pat who struggled to become his daughter on the final flight out of Ho Chi Mihn. I didn't even know what I was seeing the first fourth dimension I saw that, merely it stuck with me. The playing field when it comes to what flies and what doesn't in animation in full general is obviously stilted in the favor of eastern works, but due to the freedoms allotted to the authors and showrunners. The issue at that place is, a lot of people are doing shit for the sake of doing shit and not asking if they should, simply because they can. And hey, more than power to them, they can practice whatever they want....just no one should exist surprised when that liberty ends upwards painting the entire subgenre in a creepy low-cal that repels people on an almost inherent level.

your correct sometimes media does tackle important subject matter, and other times it doesn't fifty-fifty try like to give and example western media when it comes to childrens programing rarely tackles the concept of decease, or that grief that comes with information technology, in fact i accept only e'er seen it done with respect and decency 3 times in childrens media, once with sesame street, once in clone wars, and one time in 2017 tmnt, every other time they allude to it but don't ever go through with it

edit: 4 times i forgot the i in rebels

• #355

your right sometimes media does tackle important subject matter, and other times it doesn't even try like to give and example western media when it comes to childrens programing rarely tackles the concept of death, or that grief that comes with it, in fact i have only ever seen information technology done with respect and decency 3 times in childrens media, once with sesame street, in one case in clone wars, and once in 2017 tmnt, every other time they insinuate to it merely don't ever go through with it

edit: four times i forgot the one in rebels

Steven Universe deals with the concept of grieving very very well.

Steven Universe should be required viewing at this indicate, it'south so fucking adept.

• #356

Steven Universe deals with the concept of grieving very very well.

Steven Universe should be required viewing at this bespeak, information technology's and so fucking good.

steven deals with the concept of trauma well, grieving eh not so much in my opinion, because if information technology wasn't one of the main gems the people who were grieving turned into sociopaths

• #357

steven deals with the concept of trauma well, grieving eh not so much in my opinion, because if it wasn't 1 of the main gems the people who were grieving turned into sociopaths

I remember that'southward part of it;

Having to bargain with the fact that the person who y'all honey and miss and still long for is the person responsible for everything horrible that has ever happened to you

And so having to deal with and accept what is and is non good for you about that situation.

It's skilful stuff.

• #358

That is quite the take. I doubt fifty-fifty anime fans can really agree on what is the best. From more than perspectives it would be Satoshi Kon and Ghibli stuff. Those are practiced, merely not even the anime fans believe those are the best of the best simply things similar FMA, Steins;Gate, One Piece, etc. Those simply aren't fifty-fifty comparable to things similar Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Sopranos, The Wire, etc. You don't even need to get to movies besides with Go Out, Moonlight, No Land for Onetime Men, There Volition Be Blood, Portrait of a Lady on Fire, etc.

I recollect this thread is actually good at simply trying to ignore all the horrible stuff that permeates through anime. It feels like you lot cannot go normal decent shit unless you either Ghibli makes it or some studio simply decides to not add information technology (which is really fucking rare cause even a supposed GOAT like Cowboy Bebop has that shit).

There's all-time from a popularity stand up betoken and best from a critical standpoint. The movies and shows you mentioned have the benefit of having a large spotlight on them from big awards shows and highly publicized reviews.

For anime, in that location's far less academic and scrutinized analysis that leads to elevating things to classic status. MAL ratings are more or less useless considering of the audition that actually rates stuff. Yous mention Ghibli which has massive Western audition influence and appeal that helps marketing those productions, as well as cowboy Bebop which was ane of the starting time localized seinen. So in that location's the uber popular Shonen stuff similar FMA, Naruto, and i piece. And then there's Steins Gate that heavily leans in on and appeals to Otaku civilization.

Simply yous never hear anyone talk about recent anime greats like ACCA 13, or Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju, March comes in like a lion, considering they just aren't popular despite how peachy they are. Or there's stuff that is great that gets muddled by changes in author or needs for sequels, like psycho pass or aldnoah zero.

It doesn't assist that annual anime awards are glorified popularity contests. With all the bug academy awards has, at least it has narrow criteria as to what is considered for nominations.

The anime manufacture operates through quantity over quality. And because there are 3 dozen 12 episode series beingness produced every season, with people necessarily needing to talk about what is best per season, a lot of stuff and attention gravitates to what is pop and "safe" by anime standards and mediocre stuff gets more attention.

I guess what I'1000 trying to say is decent stuff often gets buried in discussion either because the general anime audience has shit gustatory modality, or because of capitalistic need to expand on things that don't need expanding.

And then at that place's piece of life anime which really doesn't take a Western analogue but can be legitimately great, but is never talked virtually because by definition it isn't bombastic.

• #359

I think y'all guys are giving the entirety of western media manner as well much credit here. It's only in the past 20 years or so that nosotros've been able to go past decades upon decades of problematic content in film. Fifty-fifty then, I doubtable a lot of popular media at present won't age too kindly with the benefit of hindsight and scrutiny. The Marvel Cinematic Universe alone have come nether fire for simply paying lipservice to diverseness, inclusion and women'due south problems and their poor politics will only become more scrutinized over time. That's non even getting into the growing number of musical artists that romanticize misogyny and toxic masculinity.

Normally I wouldn't think information technology was worth bringing these things upward to deflect criticizing anime but the topic's vague wording invites comparison to all types of social problems that aren't remotely comparable instead of getting to root of the trouble. Discussing the treatment of sexual assault and child exploitation in anime would be worthwhile on it'southward ain without the comparison.

• #360

Aye, I call up in general the comparison of one country's general animation to something as loaded and all encompassing equally "Western Media" is a peculiarly bad way to approach this topic. If you want to criticize Anime for diverse problematic elements, go for it, but "Western Media" is quite possibly the worst term you lot could have used for a comparison and I don't remember people are really engaging with the implications of that phrase. Similar "Western" itself is a heavily debated term that can mean a LOT of different things and encompasses a lot of different countries with different cultural values and dissimilar standards by which they hold their media and presentation of characters. And to further option apart the idea of "Western Media", the term mostly originates from the Common cold State of war equally a signal of dissimilarity to Soviet focused media, so at that place you also have a lot of connotations about neoliberal capitalism beingness upheld every bit the primary "skillful of the world" versus "communism/socialism" etc. within the context of that "Western Media."

But let'southward say we take a step back from that and the lack of any meaningful definition of "Western Media" given in the OP and just assume that it means Western Europe and the Us since that's typically what gets referred to with "Western." There'due south still a hell of a lot of truly problematic and awful stuff in that very broad category. I think people are a chip quick to forget just how recent meaningful representation in media is and how much problematic stuff was pushed for years. How many major media figures emphasized materialism and arcadian bodies that weren't really obtainable in the real earth? How ofttimes does Western media become out of its manner to make a article out of people'south bodies and sex in general? How often is alcoholism portrayed as a normal and fifty-fifty sometimes positive graphic symbol trait? You can start very quickly picking apart Western media for tons of issues with how it has normalized and portrayed the earth. I think a perfect example of this is Spider-Man on PS4 being this extremely pro cop video game in 2018 only for Insomniac to realize maybe they should take a flake more critical look at cops in Miles Morales (and fifty-fifty then I wouldn't say information technology was particularly deep). The MCU took a decade to give a predominately Black hero a starring office and some other year on meridian of that to requite a female superhero her own movie. The progress we're more aware of in modernistic media in certain areas is much more a recent phenomenon and there's literal decades of super destructive influence in "Western Media" behind it.

And that's without even directly addressing the diverse attempts by "Western Media" to whitewash massive parts of history to make "Western" countries look better or to downplay racism, sexism, etc. Or referencing the massive amounts of violence Western media regularly portrays in much more than grounded ways than animation can, oftentimes times glorifying the human activity of information technology in really disgusting ways. And if you include pornography into "Western Media", you add a whole other layer of issues that fall nether Western Media's umbrella (not saying pornography or violence in media is inherently bad, just pointing out that "Western Media" often engages with information technology in incredibly irresponsible ways that fall nether the general umbrella of "problematic").

At that place'due south enough to criticize virtually Anime, and I take no outcome with calling out its numerous issues and pushing it to be ameliorate. The medium would probably benefit tremendously from a willingness to engage with certain issues its had for itself a few decades that ofttimes distract potential viewers from the deeper and more interesting content. And yeah, some of it tin can get really uncomfortable to downright disturbing and that stuff should exist dealt with 100%. That said, I'd merely say it has its ain "problematic elements" in comparison to "Western Media's problematic elements" and I'd almost say that Western Media has caused more than direct harm to people overall (peculiarly considering, information technology's a massive category with lots of elements and pieces to suspension apart, some of which have literally been used for immediately harmful purposes and it also reaches more than people than anime as a whole because again, you lot picked a pretty massive and unhelpful category to compare) and things like impact on people'south body image are much more difficult to quantify and require us to drill down to additional psychological impact of such media.

• #361

Yeah, I recall in full general the comparison of i country'due south full general animation to something as loaded and all encompassing as "Western Media" is a especially bad way to approach this topic. If y'all want to criticize Anime for diverse problematic elements, become for it, but "Western Media" is quite possibly the worst term yous could take used for a comparing and I don't recall people are really engaging with the implications of that phrase. Like "Western" itself is a heavily debated term that can mean a LOT of different things and encompasses a lot of different countries with unlike cultural values and dissimilar standards by which they concur their media and presentation of characters. And to further pick autonomously the idea of "Western Media", the term generally originates from the Cold War as a point of contrast to Soviet focused media, and then there you also have a lot of connotations about neoliberal capitalism beingness upheld as the primary "proficient of the earth" versus "communism/socialism" etc. within the context of that "Western Media."

But allow'due south say nosotros take a step dorsum from that and the lack of any meaningful definition of "Western Media" given in the OP and only assume that information technology means Western Europe and the U.s.a. since that's typically what gets referred to with "Western." At that place's still a hell of a lot of truly problematic and awful stuff in that very broad category. I think people are a bit quick to forget simply how recent meaningful representation in media is and how much problematic stuff was pushed for years. How many major media figures emphasized materialism and idealized bodies that weren't really obtainable in the existent globe? How often does Western media exit of its way to make a commodity out of people'southward bodies and sex activity in general? How often is alcoholism portrayed as a normal and even sometimes positive character trait? You can outset very chop-chop picking apart Western media for tons of issues with how it has normalized and portrayed the earth. I recollect a perfect example of this is Spider-Man on PS4 existence this extremely pro cop video game in 2018 only for Insomniac to realize maybe they should take a fleck more critical look at cops in Miles Morales (and even and then I wouldn't say information technology was particularly deep). The MCU took a decade to give a predominately Black hero a starring role and another twelvemonth on top of that to give a female person superhero her ain motion picture. The progress we're more aware of in modernistic media in certain areas is much more a recent miracle and there's literal decades of super destructive influence in "Western Media" behind it.

And that'due south without even direct addressing the various attempts by "Western Media" to whitewash massive parts of history to make "Western" countries wait ameliorate or to downplay racism, sexism, etc. Or referencing the massive amounts of violence Western media regularly portrays in much more than grounded ways than blitheness tin can, often times glorifying the human activity of information technology in really disgusting ways. And if you include pornography into "Western Media", you add a whole other layer of issues that autumn under Western Media'southward umbrella (not maxim pornography or violence in media is inherently bad, just pointing out that "Western Media" often engages with it in incredibly irresponsible means that autumn nether the general umbrella of "problematic").

There's plenty to criticize nigh Anime, and I take no issue with calling out its numerous issues and pushing it to exist better. The medium would probably benefit tremendously from a willingness to engage with sure issues its had for itself a few decades that often distract potential viewers from the deeper and more than interesting content. And yeah, some of it tin get really uncomfortable to downright agonizing and that stuff should exist dealt with 100%. That said, I'd just say it has its own "problematic elements" in comparison to "Western Media'due south problematic elements" and I'd almost say that Western Media has caused more direct damage to people overall (particularly because, it'due south a massive category with lots of elements and pieces to intermission apart, some of which have literally been used for immediately harmful purposes and it also reaches more people than anime every bit a whole considering again, you picked a pretty massive and unhelpful category to compare) and things like impact on people'due south body paradigm are much more than difficult to quantify and require us to drill down to additional psychological bear on of such media.

Good post. Thank you for taking the fourth dimension to write this.

• #362

Yeah, I remember in general the comparison of ane country's full general animation to something every bit loaded and all encompassing as "Western Media" is a peculiarly bad way to approach this topic. If you want to criticize Anime for various problematic elements, go for it, only "Western Media" is quite peradventure the worst term y'all could have used for a comparing and I don't recollect people are really engaging with the implications of that phrase. Similar "Western" itself is a heavily debated term that can mean a LOT of different things and encompasses a lot of different countries with dissimilar cultural values and dissimilar standards by which they agree their media and presentation of characters. And to further choice apart the thought of "Western Media", the term generally originates from the Cold War every bit a betoken of dissimilarity to Soviet focused media, so there you too accept a lot of connotations about neoliberal commercialism being upheld every bit the primary "skillful of the world" versus "communism/socialism" etc. inside the context of that "Western Media."

But allow's say nosotros accept a step back from that and the lack of any meaningful definition of "Western Media" given in the OP and but assume that it means Western Europe and the US since that's typically what gets referred to with "Western." There's all the same a hell of a lot of truly problematic and awful stuff in that very broad category. I think people are a bit quick to forget just how recent meaningful representation in media is and how much problematic stuff was pushed for years. How many major media figures emphasized materialism and idealized bodies that weren't actually obtainable in the real world? How often does Western media get out of its way to brand a commodity out of people's bodies and sex activity in general? How often is alcoholism portrayed as a normal and even sometimes positive character trait? You can outset very quickly picking apart Western media for tons of issues with how it has normalized and portrayed the world. I call up a perfect example of this is Spider-Man on PS4 being this extremely pro cop video game in 2018 simply for Insomniac to realize peradventure they should have a flake more disquisitional look at cops in Miles Morales (and even then I wouldn't say information technology was particularly deep). The MCU took a decade to requite a predominately Black hero a starring role and some other year on top of that to give a female superhero her own film. The progress we're more than enlightened of in modernistic media in certain areas is much more a recent phenomenon and at that place's literal decades of super destructive influence in "Western Media" behind it.

And that'due south without even directly addressing the various attempts by "Western Media" to whitewash massive parts of history to make "Western" countries look amend or to downplay racism, sexism, etc. Or referencing the massive amounts of violence Western media regularly portrays in much more than grounded ways than animation can, oft times glorifying the act of it in really disgusting means. And if you lot include pornography into "Western Media", you add a whole other layer of issues that fall under Western Media's umbrella (not maxim pornography or violence in media is inherently bad, just pointing out that "Western Media" often engages with information technology in incredibly irresponsible ways that fall nether the full general umbrella of "problematic").

There'southward enough to criticize most Anime, and I accept no issue with calling out its numerous bug and pushing it to exist meliorate. The medium would probably benefit tremendously from a willingness to engage with certain bug its had for itself a few decades that often distract potential viewers from the deeper and more than interesting content. And yes, some of it can get really uncomfortable to downright disturbing and that stuff should be dealt with 100%. That said, I'd just say it has its own "problematic elements" in comparison to "Western Media'south problematic elements" and I'd about say that Western Media has caused more than directly harm to people overall (especially because, information technology's a massive category with lots of elements and pieces to intermission apart, some of which accept literally been used for immediately harmful purposes and it also reaches more than people than anime as a whole because again, you picked a pretty massive and unhelpful category to compare) and things like impact on people'southward body epitome are much more than difficult to quantify and require us to drill down to boosted psychological touch on of such media.

Thank yous for this. You expressed what I wanted to say amend than I could.

• #363

I estimate I'm surprised it took 7 pages for the "pointing out child sexualization in anime is imperialistic and racist" vocal and trip the light fantastic toe. Usually it happens inside the first page.

Tin can you not strawman me? Reread my mail service and tell me again that's what I said.

• #364

In inuyasha.... sesshomaru marries and has children with the viii twelvemonth old girl, he saved in the original, later on on in the prequel. We take never seen her age a day in the original serial, always post-obit him as a kid, and in the prequel, she'south his married woman and baby's mother.

Anime takes the cake.

And in twilight jacob falls in love with a baby and is going to help raise the kid and and then enter a relationship with it....

• #365

I mean, you're telling me that Bofuri and Lapis Nights are fine wholesome entertainment and I'k sitting hither like:

I'm not gonna sit down here and say that I've seen all of those, but I have seen a lot of them, and I bounced off of a few of them because they are doing their bandage no favors in how they are portrayed. A lot of your list I agree with, there are some skilful shows in at that place but...

Yes, they are? Why aren't they? I mean the fact remains that I tin can name many anime that I think were great in but the final year versus one western drawing in the last three. Even and then y'all agree that some are proficient, so like how many good western things are there in comparison?

• #366

I recollect a lot of people here need to watch a movie from 2010. It'due south just relatively recently that some subjects have been treated with respect

• #367

I'yard gonna say that the wildness of anime, the very thing people love almost it and what seperates it from western animation, applies to both positive and negative aspects.

• #368

Wasn't their a game anime where the protag strips his 11 year erstwhile sister at some point?

I haven't seen western media *that* bad.

• #369

75% of anime contains a impaired scene akin to Flash falling on Wonder Adult female'south boobs in Joss's Justice League except it'due south just passed off every bit role of the medium at present. That should answer your question.

I recently tried watching an anime called Parasyte, which is supposed to be a sci-fi horror bear witness, and information technology had this scene played out every bit a cutesy romantic moment. Instantly turned it off.

• #370

I mean anime has a problem with sexualizing women and minors but western media has a problem with depicting everyone thats non a white man.

I mean, and so does anime.

Even for a very pop anime like Promised Neverland, one of the primary villains is LITERALLY a minstrel caricature:

And when nosotros DO get well realized Blackness characters like Ballad from Carol & Tuesday, anime fans™ flip their shit over "SJW"s. Western media has tons of problems, merely lets not pretend anime doesn't suffer from worse versions of the same affair.

My bodily only issue with this thread is that we're comparison a niche market to ALL of the west, when at best we should do Anime vs. Western Animation. But honestly that only makes anime look worse, since the most progressive media in the past decade actually comes from Western animation (Take chances Fourth dimension, Steven Universe, She-Ra, Kipo, Owl Business firm, etc etc etc)

• #371

I'chiliad gonna become ahead and say that knowing how bad anime can get, which is a gajillion times worse than what's in the OP, at least it is contained to some extent. It is non affecting the world phase much at all.

Only go lookout a 1/6/21 video with your eyes airtight and tell me which particular franchise of extremely pop video games the sounds and voices remind you lot of. Probably not Shin Megami Tensei. They are RPing the Burger Boondocks mission from MW2 except they're the insurrectionist Terrorists, non defending America from them.

Anime has a tiny fraction of the attain. Information technology seems apparently obvious that ths war mongering, jingoistic, patriotic, and racist propaganda through diverse games and movies is and always volition be about 1000 miles ahead of anime in terms of how much strife and disorder information technology encourages.

Information technology'south probably fifty-fifty completely quantifiable. What'due south the success charge per unit on army recruits via phone call of duty? If even one person signs upward and goes to the middle due east to impale brown people because of Call of duty, and so "Western Media" has already fucked up way harder than the worst anime y'all tin can think of, no?

• #372

Anime has a lot of issues, but it would have been better to go on the topic focused on that instead of framing information technology against all of 'western' media, every bit if:

i) it were all a monolith
2) it could be directly compared to all western media
3) all problematic bug could be accurately encompassed past taking it all under 1 huge comparison and not addressing them in a closer context

Like - tin can nosotros include political propaganda in this? Of which anime is absolutely guilty - equally is a shit ton of media everywhere. And in that specific example, it's hard to argue that America's propaganda machine isn't contributing to much more harm than all anime because the country's media has such a far reach and widespread prominence.

• #373

In inuyasha.... sesshomaru marries and has children with the 8 year old girl, he saved in the original, afterwards in the prequel. We have never seen her age a day in the original series, ever following him equally a child, and in the prequel, she's his wife and baby's mother.

Anime takes the cake.

Accept you read Twilight? Considering in that serial, the wolf dude that was in love with the female person principal character gets paired with the half human being half vampire girl of hers in the last volume. The writer even makes the one-half vampire daughter grow at an absurdly fast rate so the wolf dude doesn't have to groom her for 21 years.

That serial has sold 160 million books and the movies grossed 3.3 billion dollars worldwide, for reference.

• #374

Japan has as much of a trouble with sexualization of teens in media every bit much every bit the US has a blooper for guns and killing in media.

• #375

I mean, and then does anime.

Even for a very popular anime like Promised Neverland, one of the main villains is LITERALLY a minstrel caricature:

And when nosotros DO go well realized Black characters like Ballad from Ballad & Tuesday, anime fans™ flip their shit over "SJW"south. Western media has tons of problems, just lets non pretend anime doesn't suffer from worse versions of the same thing.

My actual only upshot with this thread is that nosotros're comparing a niche market to ALL of the west, when at all-time nosotros should exercise Anime vs. Western Animation. Just honestly that only makes anime look worse, since the most progressive media in the past decade actually comes from Western animation (Gamble Fourth dimension, Steven Universe, She-Ra, Kipo, Owl House, etc etc etc)

Please alter Chocolove's design in Shaman King
Thank god for Ogun at least

• #376

Western media is a massive variety of media from different countries and encompasses tons of stuff. Anime like wise encompasses a ton of creators and content.

But in general Anime tends to have some horrific shit in information technology.

Theres things in your average mainstream anime that would become writers or directors blacklisted for life in the westward.

And I hateful, there has been some bad stuff in western media, but rarely do you get stuff like Terraformers on the regular.

• #377

Western media is a massive multifariousness of media from different countries and encompasses tons of stuff. Anime like wise encompasses a ton of creators and content.

But in general Anime tends to have some horrific shit in it.

Theres things in your boilerplate mainstream anime that would get writers or directors blacklisted for life in the westward.

A Serbian Picture and Salo, which I've only read descriptions of, both have shit worse than what's in probably any anime. Live actors accept to... Act it out with props in real life. At least anime is drawn and the VA are but in a booth doing their thing.

Overall, this tit for tat is really pointless crusade nobody is winning at media, currently.

Edit: await at that place is maruo stuff adapted into anime? Hmmmm...well I take that back lol

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• #378

A Serbian Movie and Salo, which I've only read descriptions of, both accept shit worse than what'south in probably any anime.

You ain't seen much anime then.

Actually maybe that's an exaggeration but still. Those are not what I called mainstream western content.

But it'southward a pointless exercise cus "western content" is huge and conversation multiple continants and thousands of industries.

• #379

If you don't think adopting a young child, raising her from early historic period only to make her significant when having reached machismo is horrifying I don't know what to tell yous.

He didn't adopt Rin. He Bring to Kanade to Enhance Her and then go travel somewhere else.

• #380

Almost of both rots your brain and genitals in different means

• #381

Isn't the big difference in cartoon shows that japanese Anime also aim for strictly 12+ years old kids where "lewd" jokes offset to emerge in these age groups.
I stopped watching cartoons long ago, but I can't think of any popular or The states or European cartoons aiming strictly for Highschool kids. They skip them and effort to target mainly immature adults like with The Simpsons, Bojack Horseman or Family unit Guy.

• #382

What's the Salo of anime?

Redo Healer. Information technology's airing this flavor in fact.

• #383

Why compare Japanese cartoons to all of "Western Media" (which implies all movies, films, TV shows, music, etc... coming from "Western" countries)? The title is besides implying cartoons are the only media Japan creates. Why non "Western Cartoons" (or US Cartoons since US is probably what the OP means anyway)?

• #384

I mean, so does anime.

Fifty-fifty for a very popular anime like Promised Neverland, one of the principal villains is LITERALLY a minstrel caricature:

And when we DO go well realized Black characters like Ballad from Carol & Tuesday, anime fans™ flip their shit over "SJW"due south. Western media has tons of bug, but lets not pretend anime doesn't suffer from worse versions of the same thing.

My actual only issue with this thread is that we're comparing a niche market to ALL of the west, when at best we should exercise Anime vs. Western Blitheness. Just honestly that only makes anime await worse, since the most progressive media in the past decade actually comes from Western animation (Adventure Time, Steven Universe, She-Ra, Kipo, Owl Firm, etc etc etc)

Delight change Chocolove's blueprint in Shaman King
Thank god for Ogun at least

Superalloy Darkshine too enters the conversation.

And don't give me that "well he's technically supposed to be a parody of trunk builders" bullshit. That shit is straight upwardly Blackface.

• #385

Take y'all read Twilight? Because in that series, the wolf dude that was in love with the female principal character gets paired with the half human one-half vampire daughter of hers in the final book. The author fifty-fifty makes the half vampire daughter abound at an absurdly fast rate and so the wolf dude doesn't take to groom her for 21 years.

That series has sold 160 million books and the movies grossed 3.3 billion dollars worldwide, for reference.

Okay merely how many YA novels looked at that and said "Yes, the thing nosotros need to adopt is adult men falling in dearest with babies?" And what's this calendar week'due south low-cal novel about a guy who dies, wakes up in a fantasy world, and discovers that multiple women are both magically bound to, just as well eager to be, his slaves?

• #386

I mean this is an inherently weird comparison to make, but if we're making it the amount of coincidental yet barbarous violence in anime is probably = the amount of casual but vicious violence in western media, and the amount of creepy sexual practice shit is >>> and so...anime does not come out looking practiced

• #387

Okay simply how many YA novels looked at that and said "Yes, the thing we need to prefer is adult men falling in dear with babies?" And what's this week's light novel about a guy who dies, wakes up in a fantasy world, and discovers that multiple women are both magically spring to, but also eager to exist, his slaves?

more than than you'd recall to be honest, i call up reading one that a spirit in globe who watched a called i from her nativity only to go her magic teacher and then not only fell in honey with her and they had a child together, i forgets the books name but it was definitely a western story, Novels get away with a lot of shit

• #388

You ain't seen much anime and then.

Actually maybe that'due south an exaggeration merely withal. Those are not what I chosen mainstream western content.

But it'due south a pointless exercise cus "western content" is huge and conversation multiple continants and thousands of industries.

Yep I'd exist talking abt stuff I'm non into or know much abt outside of why they're infamous. Those flicks could exist genius and the chest milk mech anime could exist the Denizen Kane of anime, sick never know lol

• #389

Please modify Chocolove'south design in Shaman King
Thank god for Ogun at least

I feel like in that location are a lot of eyes on what they make up one's mind to practice with Chocolove in the Shaman King remake.

Hoping for the best, simply with most things in life, I'm prepared for the worst.

• #390

At its worsed, it's worse for all.the disgusting pedo shit that gets hand waved and supported.

• #391

Okay only how many YA novels looked at that and said "Yes, the thing we need to adopt is adult men falling in beloved with babies?" And what'southward this week's light novel about a guy who dies, wakes upwardly in a fantasy world, and discovers that multiple women are both magically bound to, simply also eager to be, his slaves?

I but gave an example, considering gross shit knows no bounds and there are plenty of terrible western products as well, with some examples beingness talked about in this thread. With that said, I'm not going to spend the next couple hours trying to one up whatsoever example of gross shit in anime you may be aware of. I just won't get anything of value out of it.

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• #393

I didn't get past the kickoff episode of No Game No Life due to how they depicted the main characters stepsister.

• #394

Its like comparison a rotten, moldy, decomposing orangish with a rancid, spoiled, disgusting apple.

• #395

Some other nice thing about western animation as of late. Shows like Hilda, She-ra, Kipo take gotten Korean and Japanese fan artist to describe Minority character more than in their fanarts. Plainly drawing aren't even close to what anime is over hither only it's still squeamish to see. Too the Japanese and Korean western blitheness fans>>>>>>>>>>> the average weeb(at least on twitter).

• #396

Rape scenes run rampant on western Idiot box though. I'm super glad it has toned down but Game of Thrones for instance loved to try to one-upwards itself in this aspect.

Comparison Game of Thrones to full general anime seems kind of dishonest when there'south a pretty articulate age rating on these HBO shows while many anime accept casual sex offenders and heavy violence in shows direct upwardly intended for younger audiences. That's not excusing some of the content on adult TV shows, simply its non comparably normalizing objectification specifically for immature people during their formative years. Anime in general is considered childish in Nippon afaik.
The comparison should actually be between manga+anime and comics+cartoons.

I guess a few current examples of media largely consumed by young people would be helpful.
One Slice: the all-time selling manga for decades: As per shounen norms its 99% male cast, with one or two women who aren't as strong but they're at that place and they all have that one body type, while the strongest woman is a hideous, overweight lady who loves nutrient (and in that location's also Boa Hancock, who fights with the power of infatuation because of course she does lol). Then at that place'due south the whole thing with the Okama characters and Sanji.
MHA: another really popular IP, with the authors cocky insert grapheme being the funny pervert trope kid who literally has a peep hole into the girls locker room.
Fire Force: The girls power seemed to be to have guys accidentally grope her? I didn't watch all of this one.

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• #397

Comparing Game of Thrones to full general anime seems kind of dishonest when at that place's a pretty clear age rating on these HBO shows while many anime have casual sexual practice offenders and heavy violence in shows straight up intended for younger audiences. That's not excusing some of the content on adult TV shows, but its non comparably normalizing objectification specifically for young people during their formative years. Anime in general is considered kittenish in Nihon afaik.
The comparison should actually be between manga+anime and comics+cartoons.

And then compared to Southward Park and Family unit Guy, I guess?

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• #398

I'm gonna say that the wildness of anime, the very thing people dearest nearly it and what seperates it from western animation, applies to both positive and negative aspects.

Yes I gotta agree with this

• #400

If we are comparing cartoons/animated shows, simply with anime is there a non-insignificant number of serial that intentionally pander to pedophiles so there's your reply

Source: https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-anime-more-or-less-problematic-than-western-media.366830/page-8

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